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Shortly after halftime, West Ham fans unfurled a banner in the stadium's south end that read "ICF, 30 Years Undefeated."

"We just went over for some tea and crumpets and (the Crew fans) got mad," said the man, who identified himself as Dave Simpson from London.

That is Brilliant!

gaffer wrote:Troubles continue in Columbus this time with a added side of West Ham.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/co ... ml?sid=101

my current blog post is about the crap that the fans in Columbus have been pulling, you do realize that the no streamers rule is a direct result of their actions and RSL and RES have had to change policies because of these clowns.

I have talked with a couple people I know who have been Crew fans since the first years, and they say that it really is about 15-20 people who are at the root of almost all the problems, including the racist stuff and throwing bottles at players and officals. Shame is that the Crew home attendance is down about 15-20% because of this small group.

There is a fine line as we all know, and there is a small group in Columbus who simply don't care and everyone suffers. This latest situation was after a number of them tried (10-15) to "jump" & "harass" a couple (2-3) West Ham supporters who were getting a beer, the Hammers went back and got reinforcements and then chaos broke out. At least according to my sources who were there.

Oh the banner came out after the halftime incident

This is my comment to denzs blog post

The supporters groups in Columbus are growing very quickly and that is the root cause of the problems that crew supporters are having. In previous years when the crews supporters were small in number, I would have to think that it was simple for them self police the people that choose to act stupid. For various reasons this year their supporters have grown by leaps and bounds. Similar things have been happening in RES. Most problems in the RCB/FCB section are caused by new people to the groups. I wonder how SGs can educate their members in what is expectable and what crosses the line.

Speaking for the FCB there is no line. Members are expected to police themselves. What one individual chooses to do is their deal and they will have to live with the consequences.

The problems we have faced this year IS a direct result of our numbers increasing very rapidly. The songs got louder, not more profane. The people who have been around 38 for years are just hearing what is being said more clearly now. The FO understands this to a point. We will not be held to res standards in the new stadium so who cares at this point.

By the way Denz, brawling with your boys against a hated rival CAN be fun as long as no one gets too injured. That's the line people need to understand.

bob roberts wrote:Speaking for the FCB there is no line. Members are expected to police themselves. What one individual chooses to do is their deal and they will have to live with the consequences.

The problems we have faced this year IS a direct result of our numbers increasing very rapidly. The songs got louder, not more profane. The people who have been around 38 for years are just hearing what is being said more clearly now. The FO understands this to a point. We will not be held to res standards in the new stadium so who cares at this point.

By the way Denz, brawling with your boys against a hated rival CAN be fun as long as no one gets too injured. That's the line people need to understand.

When your in high school getting into fights with rivals was fun, actually it was childish then, when adults do it, then it simply is sad.

The FO is held to the MLS standards and the behavior of one group impacts every group. The actions of fans in Toronto caused a review of the policies about streamers, and in turn the rules changed. The review of behavior in Columbus has lead to the league reviewing audio from matches, and monitoring behavior of supporter groups around the league, yes even at RES.

I am not asking anyone to change their behaviors, but don't fool yourself into thinking that actions don't have reactions.

I'm not fooling myself denz. We simply dont feel the need to try and control our members, obvious to everyone, you do.

bob roberts wrote:I'm not fooling myself denz. We simply dont feel the need to try and control our members, obvious to everyone, you do.

I have no desire to control anyone,I do believe that everyone should treat each other with respect and dignity. That is the difference, it is what it is.

If you mean control by expecting people to follow the law and treat people accordingly, then yeah I am guilty. The RCB has very basic guidelines and they are http://www.roguecavaliers.com/about Code of Conduct.

I didn't create them, they are what the group agreed to and a very similar to most supporter groups of the USMNT and MLS clubs.

To the topic if the people in Columbus followed those basic rules, they would never have had any issues this season, and every supporter group around the league would be better off.

f4denz wrote:
When your in high school getting into fights with rivals was fun, actually it was childish then, when s do it, then it simply is sad.

This coming from a Kopite...

Read my blog post from last night to hear some of my views on the whole thing.

f4denz wrote:

bob roberts wrote:I'm not fooling myself denz. We simply dont feel the need to try and control our members, obvious to everyone, you do.

I have no desire to control anyone,I do believe that everyone should treat each other with respect and dignity. That is the difference, it is what it is.

If you mean control by expecting people to follow the law and treat people accordingly, then yeah I am guilty. The RCB has very basic guidelines and they are http://www.roguecavaliers.com/about Code of Conduct.

I didn't create them, they are what the group agreed to and a very similar to most supporter groups of the USMNT and MLS clubs.

To the topic if the people in Columbus followed those basic rules, they would never have had any issues this season, and every supporter group around the league would be better off.

That's just it Denz, we will never have a code of conduct, a board of directors, or a cabinet. The code of conduct IS for controlling the behavior of your members at the threat of ejection. You can't be ejected from the glorious FCB!!!!!

DC fans waiting out a rain delay. The game started at about midnight.

f4denz wrote:This latest situation was after a number of them tried (10-15) to "jump" & "harass" a couple (2-3) West Ham supporters who were getting a beer, the Hammers went back and got reinforcements and then chaos broke out. At least according to my sources who were there.

Not so. I'm writing about this extensively elsewhere, and when done I will post a link here. Suffice it to say that I was there, you can see me in the pics and youtube videos that are out there, and I experienced the whole thing first hand.

I will just say here that it is a very, very bad idea to call yourselves "hooligans" (Hudson Street Hooligans) and try to come across as hard if you are just wimpy frat boys when a real set of supporters come to town. They got owned, big time, and it started on Saturday afternoon, the day before the match. And best of all, their own team's FO is going to come down on them hard for a long time to come beause of it.

For the record, the WHUFC section was SE corner, and the Hudson Street/Supporters section was in the NE. All of those involved in the fracas had seats, and spent the first half, in section 109.

And as for their actions having an effect on the rest of the league...we still get to display tofi at will in Chicago. Columbus supporters are nobodys outside of Columbus, don't give them credit they are not entitled to.

Old Ska wrote: Columbus supporters are nobodys outside of Columbus, don't give them credit they are not entitled to.

They are nobodies inside Comeblowus too.

Can't wait to read what really happened.

I can't wait to hear what happend from your perspective Ska, should be interesting to match it up with the "offical" MLS version.

If you don't think the behavior of the Columbus fans has had an impact outside of Ohio, then you haven't been paying attention. It was their actions (for the most part) at trying to copy TFC, that lead to the new league rules on streamers.

It was someone in their crowd getting taped making racial taunts, that has caused the league to both have their officals (as much of a joke as they are) and the local teams pay much more attention to what is being said by supporter groups. We have seen staffs that normally looked the other way in New England, start to enforce "new" rules. I heard that some of this was happening in New York as well, but that is board talk so you never know the truth.

Everyone knows that the MLS officals have no spines, hell it was a month before the rule change on streamers that Garber defended it as part of the game, and then after it started happening elsewhere outside of Toronto, the rules changed. Welcome to a league that flip flops more than any politician.

Here ya go

http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y

Awesome report, thanks Ska.