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Just a FYI, if you are a Metallica fan they are coming to Salt Lake on Nov 3rd. If you should happen to belong to their fan club

http://www.metclub.com/

Then tickets go on sale tomorrow morning. Nice prices $75 for the floor which will be GA standing only, and $55 for reserved seats, and everything includes a download recording of the concert.

Anyhow, I guess I will have to get out of bed and see what kind of seats I can get.

ICK

They can lick old man McCain balls after the whole Napster fandangle!

I will just DOWNLOAD the concert.....

Yes god forbid that someone who creates something of value want to get paid for it.

Sorry we will have to disagree on this one, I think if you want to watch a movie or listen to music, then buy it, rent it, or make your own.

While their tactics were not the best thought out, they had a very valid point. The shame is that they were simply a couple years behind on technology, but they were right that artist have a right to protect their property.

I agree 100%..artist do have the right...but when you are FILTHY rich how much do you really need??

If I download an album and like it, I am much more likely to go buy it. For myself and many like me there is no substitute for having a hard copy of music or movie..etc...However, when artists put one or two songs on an album that are worth buying but the rest is just fluff..why spend the money on fluff?

They should have embraced the mp3/download world and been one of the leaders on getting their tunes out to the masses via Napster and other download sites back in the day. Instead just like the entire music industry they fought the future and are losing the war.

I rip off everything from music off of myspace to photoshop 7.0.

To each their own, I think stealing from a rich person is just as bad as stealing from a poor person. Stealing from a person is just as wrong as stealing from a company.

I know it may be "old fashion" but since when did personal desire allow us to say what laws are right or wrong? Each person has to make their own decisions and I have chosen at this point to not intentionally break the law. If I disagree with the law, there are appropriate ways to try to change it, but we live in a day and age where personal preference has become the law of the land and the conflict with real laws is one that will become more and more an issue over the next 5-15 years.

It plays well into the hands of those who want more rules and more control, when simple laws are tossed aside by individuals it is easy to make the case for more rules and harsher enforcement. I think the best example is the effort of many colleges and universities to turn the drinking age back to 18, I think if the law determines a person is an adult with the right to vote and join the military, then that person should be given the same right to chose to drink.

Funny how the age for smoking which is more dangerous is 18, but drinking is 21. That is the impact of a good advertising and lobbying effort by MADD and a few other groups, proof that laws can be changed, in this case they made it worse, in my opinion.

For music I am happy paying my $15 a month for access to over 2 million songs, I can always find more than enough to listen to. I rarely by CD's anymore, but I do buy downloadable singles from time to time. No more hard copies for me, I lost over 700 CD's a couple years ago when my place got broke into, stupid me didn't have renter's insurance, so I know own less than 50. Yet I have over 8,000 legal songs on my computer and mp3 player.

JUDGE DREDD wrote:I agree 100%..artist do have the right...but when you are FILTHY rich how much do you really need??

Define what exactly is FILTHY rich please. It is like in academia and plagiarism, what other property does someone in that sort of profession have but their intellectual property. Who decides when they are rich enough and no longer entitled to become richer? If the government, especially via the courts, does not allow someone to become as rich as they want, they stifle innovation and it really is that simple. Why should I seek to exceed and be rewarded if it all comes to naught because someone is legally allowed to steal from me? Theft of $.01 from someone who has millions is still theft and should be viewed the same as if the victim only had $.01. Why is it ok to steal from someone who's rich, but not someone who's poor? Should we not view that as an equal crime?

If I download an album and like it, I am much more likely to go buy it. For myself and many like me there is no substitute for having a hard copy of music or movie..etc...However, when artists put one or two songs on an album that are worth buying but the rest is just fluff..why spend the money on fluff?

And that's exactly how some artists choose to market their music. It really should be the artist's decision on how to market that music since they are the ones who produced it. Some do business this way, others choose not to, neither way really is the wrong answer in my opinion. Those who do business in a way that more people like will make the most money. Microeconomics really isn't that complicated.

They should have embraced the mp3/download world and been one of the leaders on getting their tunes out to the masses via Napster and other download sites back in the day. Instead just like the entire music industry they fought the future and are losing the war.

Again, it's their only real property, so they should have the right to decide. While I agree it would have probably been in their favor to embrace it as the wave of the future, they do STILL have a very valid point that they should get paid for their work. The fact was that while SOME people did go and buy the album after downloading a song, the majority did not.[/quote]

Malcontent_Donk wrote:Define what exactly is FILTHY rich please.

Having more than enough money to live the rest of ones life on their lazy asses on a beach on ones own exotic island.

Who decides when they are rich enough and no longer entitled to become richer?

You answer that one and we will call you King Donk

Seems like Metallica is doing just fine:

As of 1/6/05:

ABC ePrep is reporting that a list of the top ten best-selling albums of the SoundScan era has just come out. SoundScan tracks music sales, and the SoundScan era is defined as the period between 1991 and the present. Country/pop star SHANIA TWAIN's album "Come On Over" tops the list. The album sold nearly 15.3 million copies. Here's the list:

01. SHANIA TWAIN ? "Come On Over" (15.3 million)
02. ALANIS MORISSITTE - "Jagged Little Pill" (14.3 million)
03. METALLICA - "Metallica" (14.2 million)

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/de ... wsid=11458

This is a list of the number of Metallica albums sold. I got this information from the RIAA. They are the people that track album sales and award Gold and Platinum Records. If an album goes Gold, it has sold 500,000 copies. If it is Platinum, it has sold 1 million copies. Multi-Platinum means that it has sold that many million copies (example: Double-Platinum is 2 million copies). This is probably the best way of telling which are the fan's favorite albums. These numbers are for platinum certification only. Some sources will claim higher sales for these albums.

According to the RIAA, Metallica is the 16th highest selling artist of all time in the USA. They have sold over 57 million albums. By comparison, The Beatles are the top selling artist with 166.5 million albums while Britney Spears has sold 28 million. Rounding out the top three are Elvis Presley (117.5 million) and Led Zeppelin (106 million).

With 14 million copies sold, Metallica (The Black Album) is tied for the 26th highest selling album of all time in the USA. The top three albums are Eagle's Greatest Hits (28 million), Michael Jackson's Thriller (26 million), and Pink Floyd's The Wall (23 million).

After 14 years, The Black Album is still #11 on the Top Pop Catalog chart. It has been on the chart for 700 weeks! And Justice For All is also consistently towards the top of the chart (except during Christmas time b/c of all the Christmas albums) and has been so for over 460 weeks. They won an award for these feats at the 1999 Billboard Music Awards: they were named Top Catalog Artist of the Year.

This info is up-to-date as of April 10, 2005.

http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html

If the government, especially via the courts, does not allow someone to become as rich as they want, they stifle innovation and it really is that simple.

WHAT?? Where did this come from?

The fact was that while SOME people did go and buy the album after downloading a song, the majority did not.

I would say 14.2 million sales as of 1/6/05 is not too shabby!

f4denz wrote:I know it may be "old fashion" but since when did personal desire allow us to say what laws are right or wrong? Each person has to make their own decisions and I have chosen at this point to not intentionally break the law. If I disagree with the law, there are appropriate ways to try to change it, but we live in a day and age where personal preference has become the law of the land and the conflict with real laws is one that will become more and more an issue over the next 5-15 years.

So you never break the law? Never jaywalk, or if you have driven lately you have never broken the speed limit? You better look up some of the wacky laws we have here in Utah to make sure you are not breaking any..In fact did you know in Utah it is illegal NOT to drink milk? Hope you had your glass of milk today. Ohh and here is another good one. In Utah is it illegal to Cause a Catastrophe.

Now a Catastrophe can be defined as the following.

1. a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war.
2. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe.
3. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
4. (in a drama) the point at which the circumstances overcome the central motive, introducing the close or conclusion; dénouement. Compare catastasis, epitasis, protasis.
5. Geology. a sudden, violent disturbance, esp. of a part of the surface of the earth; cataclysm.
6. Also called catastrophe function. Mathematics. any of the mathematical functions that describe the discontinuities that are treated in catastrophe theory.

I would say #'s 1 & 2 could closely be related to a Chinese incident most of us including you were involved in. Sure # 1 is a stretch, but to RSL and the Chinese I am sure what transpired was a disaster that soon became widespread.

Ohh..and ignorance of the law is not a defense that holds water in courts.

Funny how the age for smoking which is more dangerous is 18, but drinking is 21. That is the impact of a good advertising and lobbying effort by MADD and a few other groups, proof that laws can be changed, in this case they made it worse, in my opinion.

Actually according to State law the legal age of smoking is 19:

76-10-104. Furnishing cigars, cigarettes, or tobacco to minors-Penalties
Any person who sells, gives, or furnishes any cigar, cigarette, or tobacco
in any form, to any person under 19 years of age, is guilty of a class C
misdemeanor on the first offense, a class B misdemeanor on the second
offense, and a class A misdemeanor on subsequent offenses

So out of curiosity why are we spending more time on Metallica and downloading laws rather than talking about RSL beating the Crapids the other night?

I guess so much time has past we have all sort of lost interest.

But before I sign off for the night...

April 25, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
Lars Ulrich suggests Metallica could follow Radiohead

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9929031-7.html

I tend to swing back and forth on copyright. I have a feeling everyone who is even a little informed on copyright in the USA knows that the system has major problems. I used to download tons of music back in the WINMX days but have stopped. I do have a couple of questions though:

The only music I even consider downloading is music that I can not get in the US. For example I really like listening to Eurovision song contest CD but they are not sold in the US. How I am supposed to get these cds if they are not sold here?

Why is it so hard to legelly pass work into the public domain in america?

Is it possible that music and other forms of entertainment have been priced to high for people to buy them?

Free legal music is readily available all over the place(radio, Internet radio, libraries etc.) why are people not using these methods to fulfill there need for music?

Because we beat the Crapids and they are in last place in the MLS now!

Ohhh..as for the music...yeah it sucks trying to find good Euro music over here sometimes.

JUDGE DREDD wrote:

f4denz wrote:I know it may be "old fashion" but since when did personal desire allow us to say what laws are right or wrong? Each person has to make their own decisions and I have chosen at this point to not intentionally break the law. If I disagree with the law, there are appropriate ways to try to change it, but we live in a day and age where personal preference has become the law of the land and the conflict with real laws is one that will become more and more an issue over the next 5-15 years.

So you never break the law? Never jaywalk, or if you have driven lately you have never broken the speed limit? You better look up some of the wacky laws we have here in Utah to make sure you are not breaking any..In fact did you know in Utah it is illegal NOT to drink milk? Hope you had your glass of milk today. Ohh and here is another good one. In Utah is it illegal to Cause a Catastrophe.

Now a Catastrophe can be defined as the following.

1. a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war.
2. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe.
3. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
4. (in a drama) the point at which the circumstances overcome the central motive, introducing the close or conclusion; dénouement. Compare catastasis, epitasis, protasis.
5. Geology. a sudden, violent disturbance, esp. of a part of the surface of the earth; cataclysm.
6. Also called catastrophe function. Mathematics. any of the mathematical functions that describe the discontinuities that are treated in catastrophe theory.

I would say #'s 1 & 2 could closely be related to a Chinese incident most of us including you were involved in. Sure # 1 is a stretch, but to RSL and the Chinese I am sure what transpired was a disaster that soon became widespread.

Ohh..and ignorance of the law is not a defense that holds water in courts.

Funny how the age for smoking which is more dangerous is 18, but drinking is 21. That is the impact of a good advertising and lobbying effort by MADD and a few other groups, proof that laws can be changed, in this case they made it worse, in my opinion.

Actually according to State law the legal age of smoking is 19:

76-10-104. Furnishing cigars, cigarettes, or tobacco to minors-Penalties
Any person who sells, gives, or furnishes any cigar, cigarette, or tobacco
in any form, to any person under 19 years of age, is guilty of a class C
misdemeanor on the first offense, a class B misdemeanor on the second
offense, and a class A misdemeanor on subsequent offenses

So out of curiosity why are we spending more time on Metallica and downloading laws rather than talking about RSL beating the Crapids the other night?

I guess so much time has past we have all sort of lost interest.

But before I sign off for the night...

April 25, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
Lars Ulrich suggests Metallica could follow Radiohead

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9929031-7.html

Speaking of China, One of our covert members smuggled a scarf into China and took this picture

This is a picture I took just for you outside of a temple near the Yu Yuan Gardens in Shanghai. Enjoy.

Haha..NICE!!

Whoops...gave that a rating of 2..I clicked on the 2 before I read what it was...Thought there was more pics..not a rating scale..